Prediction Blog: Megas XLR VS Sym-Bionic Titan

  

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“Giant robots are objectively the coolest idea humanity has ever conceived” - Confucius

Megas XLR, Jersey City’s unlikely and unhinged protector.

Sym-Bionic Titan, the mighty combined guardian from Galaluna.

Giant robots are rad, and that’s a fact. Since always, mecha anime has inspired future generations of creators, and that isn’t exclusive to Japan. Be it an affectionate parody or a more straightforward approach, western animation has paid tribute to the greatest anime robots quite a few times, and these two gone but not forgotten cartoon juggernauts are among the best to ever grace our small screens. Who will come on top in this fight between Cartoon Network's greatest mecha? Will Megas XLR show the Titan how it’s done in Jersey? Or will the Titan turn Megas back into scrap? Find out in today’s DEATH BATTLE!

Before We Dig Into These Giant Robots…

For this blog, we have analyzed all of both Megas XLR’s and Sym-Bionic Titan’s extensive material… which is basically just their shows. We used the word “basically” here because we also analyzed both Megas’ very few comic appearances and its pilot episode to see if it would give us anything interesting, but there’s very little relevant stuff. Just so you guys know, we’re only using Cartoon Network Action Pack (#1, #3-5, #7, #9 and #11). Both the comic Cartoon Network: Jam-Packed Action! (#1) and the Pilot Episode are worse versions of episode one and they don’t bring anything relevant (we read/watched, dw). Both Cartoon Network Fusionfall (#1), Cartoon Network Universe: FusionFall (game) and the OK KO! appearances were excluded to avoid dubiously canon cross-scaling (which Titan can also get anyway through its appearance in FusionFall and OK KO!).

Background

Megas XLR

In the far future of 3037, an evil alien race named the Glorft, led by the reckless and cruel green-tentacle-faced Gorrath are fighting a war against humanity. In a last-ditch effort to turn the war in their favor, the humans, spearheaded by Kiva Andru, attempt to steal the Glorft’s Mechanized Earth Guard Attack System, or MEGAS robot. However, before it can be sent back in time to the beginning of the war, the MEGAS’ time drive is damaged and its head is blown off, stranding Kiva and the robot back in the year 2004. Discovered by young mechanic Coop and his best friend Jamie, the robot would fall out of the hands of the Glorft and into those of humans.

Unfortunately for the future forces however… Coop and Jamie are complete idiots. Outside of Coop’s extreme mechanical competence, both of them are extremely lazy and don’t take the threat seriously even when it’s right in their faces, much to Kiva’s chagrin as soon as she meets them. That said, the three would eventually prove to make a competent team in fighting against the alien threat, and the Glorft would soon meet an unexpectedly powerful foe in the past.

Sym-Bionic Titan

Planet Galaluna. An epic war wages throughout the previously peaceful planet, now on the verge of being dominated in a coup d'etat orchestrated by the treacherous General Modula, with the extra help of the fearsome creatures of planet Mutradd. With few men being left to fight, the King of Galaluna entrusts young soldier Lance and creates the robot Octus to escort his daughter Ilana on a ship, so they can escape from the planet through a rift gate in a ship and find a safe world to stay. The king hopes the war will turn its tide and the princess will be safe to rule Galaluna in the future. Crash-landed on Earth, with no way home and no way out, the three must blend into their environment by masquerading as high-schoolers. This proves difficult as the evil general Modula and his space mutants keep sending giant creatures to kill the princess on Earth, in an attempt to ensure their rule over Galalana. Luckily for our heroes, they came equipped with power armor that can grow massive in size to combat alien threats, and even more fortunately, when their powers combine, they become the Sym-Bionic Titan, a massive robot with the power to wreck any threat to our protagonists, and humanity at large.

In addition to the giant kaijus sent by Modula and the daily struggles of high school life, our protagonists must also deal with the distrust of the american military, and the mysterious organization G3 (Galactic Guardian Group), that by all means wants to uncover the mystery behind the Titan and the new wave of alien threats sent to wreak havoc on planet Earth.

The Robots

Megas XLR

Developed by an alien race in the far future, the MEGAS XLR has a plethora of abilities and capabilities far beyond anything humans could achieve. That said, Coop’s mechanical brilliance has made it fully serviceable and controlled by an ordinary human car in the place of a cockpit, since the original robot’s head was destroyed. The Megas stands at 80 feet, or about 24 meters tall.

Sym-Bionic Titan

The Sym-Bionic Titan is absurdly large and powerful. While it has no official height (and on screen it’s all over the place anyways), it has been calculated to be around 60 meters, or 196 feet tall. Formed when Lance, Ilana, and Octus combine as one, it poses a deadly threat to the mutants attacking earth, especially when combined with Lance’s experience as a soldier and excellent leadership. The Titan is linked to the minds of the pilots inside it, and can construct weapons based off of their imaginations. This comes with the drawback that if one of the pilots are out of commission, it’s impossible to form the Titan in the first place.

Experience and Skill

Megas XLR

While Coop and Jamie, the ones in the front of the Megas, are slacker young adults with no proper combat experience or training, Coop has proven himself to be a natural at fighting and alien ass-kicking, and they are aided by the warrior from the future Kiva, who has spent decades of her life fighting the Glorft in the future, making the robot a world-protecting force to be reckoned with. Coop was able to defeat many dangerous enemies through his knowledge of videogames and pro-wrestling (seriously), even alien generals and an evil future version of himself.

Sym-Bionic Titan

Lance, the first pilot of the Titan, representing the body, is an experienced warrior with a rough past, who has spent more time in his life than not fighting. He has been trained in the highest military school of Galaluna [11:00] and as such knows usage of several weapons and lethal martial arts that are terrifying to any alien threat that comes along. Princess Ilana, the second pilot, representing the heart, is the least experienced in combat of the three, but is able to hold her own and has impressive acrobatic skills [6:00] and quick thinking. The third pilot, and the lead controller of the Titan itself, Octus, is a robot specifically designed to protect the galalunian pilots with his life, and has top-notch analytical abilities [2:16] for combat which will be elaborated on further, not to mention genius level intelligence in all fields of science. He is the glue that holds the robot together, both figuratively and literally, as he provides the protective coating around the robot, and he has multiple times chimed in to help when Ilana and Lance are out of commission or at-odds. The Titan’s pilots are fierce and powerful warriors, making the robot a juggernaut of terror to alien enemies.

Arsenals and Abilities

Megas XLR

Wave Motion Cannon

The Megas has a large laser gun stored in its chest (strangely familiar to the Space Battleship Yamato) that fires a huge beam that can collapse buildings.

Rockets

Megas can fire cool rockets from its shoulders.

Rocket Fist

The robot can detach its fist from its arm and shoot it at enemies (strangely familiar to Mazinger Z’s rocket punch).

Sonic Boom

Megas can clap its hands together and make a wide destructive sonic boom.

Jet Boost

Megas has multiple thrusters that allow it to fly through the sky and space at impressive speeds

8 Ball

I shouldn’t even NEED to name drop what this is in reference to. The Megas claps its arms together and fires giant 8ball at its enemies… somehow.

Forearm Missiles

Megas pulls Missiles from under it's sleeve.

Power Saw

Megas changes one of it's hands for a powerful chainsaw.

Chest Gatling

A Gatling gun in Megas’ chest that rapidly fires rounds at enemies.

Double Red Projectiles

Megas fires 2 red projectiles from both of it's arms in different directions.

Freeze Gun

Megas fires a gun from it's chest that freezes it's target. 

Heavy Weaponry Laser Guns

Megas pulls out a laser gun out of every part of it's body to cause devastating damage to the enemy (A Macross reference).

Chest Rockets

Rockets that come out of mega’s chest, the amount of them seem to increase with every episode.

Feet Missiles

Megas fires 8 Missiles from under it's feet, 4 for each foot.

Omnidirectional Missiles

Megas fires missiles from every single part of it's body to ensure hitting the target no matter what.

Wrist Laser Gun 

Quick laser gun that comes out of Megas wrist.

Gatling

Gatling gun that comes out of Megas wrist to fire fast rounds at enemies.

Big Green Chest Laser Beam

Megas fires a beam from it's chest with great power and massive range.

 

Big Fists

Megas changes it's normal hands for a pair of big fists, useful in close combat.

Laser Refractor

Megas fires a extremely volatile charge of laser protons, (it gives the Target a reflector forcefield that reflects any energy attack thrown at it).

Transporter Ray

Megas selects an internal part of the enemy and teleports it to it's hands.

Spinning Blade Pruner

Megas uses a blade that sounds at high speed, quite the unconventional weapon for a giant robot.

“Jamco” Arm Laser Gun

Megas uses a quickfire laser arm controlled by Coops “Jamco” video game gun.

Deconstruction Ray

Megas fires a beam from its arm that dematerialises the target into pixels.

Nuke

Megas has a nuke. Cuz why not.

SUPER DESTRUCTOR MODE!!

You heard it kids, SUPER DESTRUCTOR MODE (needs some fixes to actually be useful).

Headlight Beams

Megas Car uses its headlights to fire a concentrated beam of energy forward.

Megas Blast

Megas puts both arms together to fire a concentrated energy blast forward. I wonder what this could be a reference to…

Vortex Gun 

Megas fires a green laser beam that creates a vortex that sucks things sending them to an unknown place.

Pink Fist

Megas charges its fist with some sort of pink energy and slams them together to the ground causing a wide energy shockwave.

Double Laser Arm Gatling

Coop sure loves its Gatlings, Megas pulls 2 gatlings from its arms to shoot high speed laser blasts forward

Double Laser Cutting Discs

Megas launches 2 energy cutting discs at once for each round cutting its enemy clean 

Cuadruple Laser Machine gun

Megas pulls 4 laser guns 2 from each arm to fire quick laser shots (this weapon causes Megas to overheat quickly)

Petrifying Beam

Megas combine both of it's arms together to form a cannon that fires a beam that petrifies the target for a brief period of time.

Forearm Axe 

Megas take out 2 axes from both sides of its forearm to cut down enemies at a close range, like Mazinger Z’s Iron Cutter

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Chained Rocket First

A variation of megas normal Rocket Fist attached with a chain, useful for either latching onto the enemy or taking an  object from a long distance.

Grappling Hook

Megas fires a long grappling Hook from it's arm to latch onto enemies.

Laser Shield

Megas spins a laser blade at high speeds to create a shield to block incoming attacks.

Cross Universal Wormhole

The frequency of Megas radio can create a wormhole that can send Megas and whoever is nearby to random locations in the universe. (it can only be used once before it malfunctions).

Trans Dimensional Drive

With a certain input of buttons, Megas access Trans D Drive, which teleports Megas and whoever Megas it's touching to an unknown alternative dimension.

Chest Flamethrower

Megas pulls out a powerful flamethrower from its chest to burn down their enemies 

Heat Beam

You want heat…? Megas has it's air conditioner ready to fire a heat beam from it's arm.

Flame Cannon

I'll give you Heat! Megas combines both arms together to form a cannon that fires a powerful heatblast (Oh hi Combattler V).

Flaming Fist

Megas sets its fist on fire for extra damage burning the enemy with each punch, (the flames continue until coops presses the button to deactivate them)

Flaming Sword

Awesome flaming energy sword Megas creates by putting both palms together.

Phoenix Flames

Megas flies into the air and  from its body expels a flare in the shape of the majestic phoenix covering a massive area that reduces the enemy into nothing with its flames.

The Jammer 

OH GOD PLEASE NOT THE JAMMER. Coop uses all of the Megas speakers and sings so horribly it sends extremely loud soundwaves torturing the ears of the poor souls who hear it.

Electric Discharge

Megas dishes out a powerful discharge to anything that makes physical contact with its body.

Electric Chest Cannon

Megas pulls a giant cannon from its chest to fire a extremely powerful discharge of electricity forward (Oh, hi again Macross)

Manual Mode 

Just in case Megas malfunctions completely, coop installed a backup manual mode that he controls with his “Dance Station” console this mode mimics Coops movements but it limits Megas to just a brawler without any weapons.

Nitrous Mode

Megas enters a mode for a brief period of time that increases its running speed by a significant amount, able to completely blitz its enemies.

Plot Button

The famous red button of irony, probably Megas most iconic ability, when pressed the plot turns around in Megas favor,  generally causing Megas to use a weapon specifically for the occasion to instantly give Megas the upper hand in a battle.

The Equalizer

Another plot button that turns the tables around in favor of Megas in a comedic manner.

Time Out Button

This gadget can be found in the comic Time Out (Cartoon Network Action Pack #4), which can be fully read here. Coop accidentally activated Megas’ internal time machine while trying to fill a cold drink. This would be extremely helpful if it wasn't for the fact they don’t even know how to use it. They were just glad they came back alright (and so are we), but Kiva is now an ape. Since we don’t know how Kiva came back being a human again on the other comics/show, and they just used this once and didn’t even mention it again, it’s questionable if this comic is even remotely canon, but we should mention it’s existence anyway.

Kinda surprised that the NFT Bored Ape Bros didn’t do a Kiva one.

Sym-Bionic Titan

Flight 

The Titan has massive thrusters on its legs that allow it to fly. It can fight while flying and Octus is more than a competent pilot that allows flexibility and competent movement for the Titan. 

Data Analysis

Octus, being a highly advanced space robot, can analyze environments and things around him to understand and exploit vulnerabilities in the enemies the Titan is faced up against. Like, for example, detect life [1:12], and atomic composition [2:16]. Ilana’s armor has also demonstrated being able to analyze energy signatures [20:28] and use them to find an enemy’s weak point, and the Titan should be able to do the same.

High Frequency Radio Wave Generator

Octus can generate radio waves with a specific frequency to eradicate enemies. He used it against a goop alien that wouldn’t go down with conventional weaponry to overcome its regeneration, but theoretically he could create any frequency. Symbiote bros…

Energy Absorption 

The Titan can absorb energy from the environment by opening its armor. Used to absorb the energy from a storm and fire it back.

Energy-Mass Conversion

Octus can convert received energy towards the Titan to mass, making it heavier than normal.

Sym-Bionic Neuron Missiles

In episode 3, “Elephant Logic”, Octus launches some low-impact missiles for a tactical drill. Lance later mentions them as being “Neuron Missiles”, but we can’t be sure on how it is related to the nervous system. We never see them again.

Sym-Bionic Sword

The Titan can generate a sword, one of the most common weapons it uses in the series. It’s great for close ranged combat and looks rad.

Sym-Bionic Defensive Shield

It can be released as a knight-like shield on the arm or as a dome around Titan. In the knight-like shield mode, the Titan can protect itself from enemy fire and oncoming attacks. While the shield is more durable than the rest of the robot, but it can only withstand so much fire. In dome mode, the robot can generate a large force field around it, protecting it from all angles, which is basically a larger scale of what Ilana’s robot can do.

Sym-Bionic Spear

The Titan has a giant spear that’s great for mid-ranged combat, bridging the gap between the sword and the bow and arrow.

Sym-Bionic Axe

The Titan, likely in reference to Getter Robo, can also generate a giant battle axe that devastates enemy aliens.

Sym-Bionic Trench Blades

The Titan can create two trench blades that are great in close range.

Sym-Bionic Mace

The Titan can generate a large mace that does powerful blunt damage.

Sym-Bionic Bow and Arrow

The Sym-Bionic Titan can construct a large bow that fires explosive arrows with a large blast radius. Likely a Brave Raideen reference.

Kronos Chain

Titan has a massive kusarigama that Lance is particularly talented in using, due to his training with it in an expedition to Kronos 7. It allows for heavy range with a deadly tip.

Sym-Bionic Arm Cannon

The Titan has a large arm cannon that would leave Mega Man impressed and can send out a huge beam of light which does devastating damage to enemies.

Sym-Bionic Energy Projection

After Titan got its power increased in the last episode, Newton just said “check this out” and Titan gained the ability to project staggering Iron Man energy beams from its hands and feet. This is never explained but it’s pretty cool.

Hyperwave Mode

When needing to travel through space quickly, the Titan enters space flight mode and takes off, becoming capable of traveling between astral bodies in very short bursts of time.

Feats

Megas XLR

Overall

• Saved Jersey City from destruction several times

• Caused the destruction of Jersey City several times

• Probably caused the extinction of several alien races on accident

• Defeated knock off versions of Transformers, Voltron and many other mecha

• Coop somehow salvaged and modified a highly advanced robot from the future

• Has a banging soundtrack

Power

• Blew up a small volcano 

• Destroyed a large asteroid [0:15] - (2.1 kilotons of TNT)

• Smashed a bunch of monsters and robots into a ball and threw it over the horizon [16:42] (106.15 kilotons)

• Destroyed Jersey City several times (3.16 megatons of TNT)

• Created a large explosion by launching all of its missiles at the Planet Eater [7:57] (541.26 megatons of TNT)

• Set fire to an entire ring city with Phoenix Mode [19:34]

• Has a “destroy the world” button [20:22] (Check before verdict)

• Caused damage to Saturn’s rings [1:00] (Check before verdict)

Speed

• Flies fast out of the atmosphere into space [1:08]

• Dodged out of the way of missiles [6:58] - (Mach 4.43)

• Fired very fast missiles at the Planet Eater [7:57] - (Mach 291.5)

• Since the knockoff Voltron can dodge Megas’ rocket punch [11:47], and Megas fights it, it is possible Megas might scale to the missiles in reaction speed. However, they are blatantly not the same weapon and the rocket punch has no speed feats.

• Flew from Earth to Saturn in a minute [0:00] (79.41c)

• Flew away from an explosion that destroyed a planet [21:04]

• Megas flew to the Ultra Cadets planet [11:31] (853,463c)

• Flew back to Earth from the Ring World in an unknown timeframe [21:20]

• The Ring world is supposedly “thousands of lightyears away from Earth” [3:00], but again, no timeframe for how they got back

• Flew alongside the Halcyon Robots from a region in space back to Cybert- Halcyon [13:05]

• Flew from earth to Planet Sarus in a few minutes [4:27] (1,127,150c)

• Dodges beams from a knockoff Captain Harlock’s battleship [19:25]

• Flew back to Earth from a planet in an unspecified region of the galaxy within an unknown timeframe [20:21]

Durability

• Stated to have flown into a sun [5:26] (5.15 tons of TNT)

• Knocked through several buildings [20:27]

• Survived another explosion that destroyed Jersey City [21:00] (3.16 megatons of TNT)

• Tanked a large explosion caused by a rocket punch [2:37]

• Tanked an explosion that created a large crater on the moon from a distance [19:28] (221 gigatons of TNT)

• Tanked an explosion seen from space point blank [19:24] (840 Gigatons of TNT)

Scaling

The Glorft

The Megas XLR fights The Glorft on a daily basis, as such, scaling to them is a no-brainer.

• That being said, they don't have any relevant feat that Megas would scale to that it doesn't achieve higher. 

• However, some specific Megas’ enemies do have superior feats, which will be discussed later on alongside if Megas should really scale to them.

Sym-Bionic Titan

Overall

• Protected the city of Sherman against alien threats several times

• Its pilots learned the value of teamwork to overcome enemies

• Octus caused a high percentage of inflation by printing money and has rizz

• Lance learned how to play guitar really fast and also has rizz

• Ilana changed their high school for the better through her natural leadership and positive personality (lacking in rizz)

• Managed to show a twerking scene in a cartoon for kids in 2010

Power

• Easily cut apart the Mutraddi Mega Beast [21:00]

• Titan absorbed the energy of the storm of the Cloud monster and redirected it, dispersing the storm [20:00] - (189 megatons of TNT)

• Completely brutalized the long armed monster [20:38-20:53]

• Swings a giant manta ray monster by its tail and throws it to the sky [20:27]

• The Titan performed energy-mass conversion to increase its mass by several times [20:10] - (285 teratons to 1.143 petatons of TNT)

• Can cut the Dragon Beast apart casually with the Cronus Chain [9:09]

• Destroyed a massive rocket carrying Tashy 497 [6:06]

• Casually beat the crap out of the last 3 Mutraddi monsters [18:22]

• Is noted to be stronger in the final episode by Lance [18:10]

Speed

• Titan can outrun guided missiles [2:12]

• Flew from Paris to San Francisco in 28 seconds [19:29] - (Mach 932)

• Flew from Sherman to Paris in 10 seconds [18:50] - (Mach 1940)

• Titan can defend and deflect multiple lightning bolts from close range from inside the air of the storm inside the Cloud Monster [19:37] - (Mach 2310)

• Flew from Earth to Saturn in 20 seconds in Space Flight mode [5:10] - (266c)

• Titan can fly from Earth to a far away region in space in the Space Flight mode in a few seconds [19:25] - (666,805,400.42c)

• Lance can see missiles in slow motion and cut them [16:22]

Durability

• Tanked blasts from the Mutraddi Mega Beast [19:58]

• The Manus Armor tanked being inside the Robot Hydra as it exploded [20:34]

• Tanked a lightning bolt from the Cloud Monster that caused a massive explosion without any damage [16:44] 

• Titan tanked falling from a massive height, causing a massive crater that destroyed a military base [20:45-21:22] - (4.27 kilotons of TNT)

• Titan casually withstood being hit with a train [19:57]

• Octus casually withstands the shockwaves caused by Kimmy’s cheeks twerking in close proximity for a minute with no signs of damage, and is able to say right away a big fat "NO" like the gigachad that he is 

Scaling

Mutraddi Monsters

The Sym-Bionic Titan fights monsters sent by the Mutraddi generals to capture the princess on a daily basis, as such, scaling to them is a no-brainer.

• The three last Mutraddi monsters casually tanked crash landing on Earth very fast [11:54-12:17] - (325 megatons of TNT)

• The Robot Hydra crash landed on Egypt from the Rift Gate, creating an explosion larger than the Pyramids [13:43] - (1 gigaton of TNT)

• This long armed monster that was much larger than Titan fell from space and crashed into the sea in less than a minute [17:30-18:18] - (5.33 gigatons of TNT ) 

• The Mutraddi Mega Beast vaporized several city blocks with its flames [19:46] - (8.2 gigatons of TNT)

• A Mutraddi Mega Beast created a large fire pillar by flying out of the atmosphere of Galaluna [9:37] - (17.09 Teratons of TNT)

• The Robot Hydra traveled from Egypt to Sherman, Illinois in less than 2 minutes [14:44-16:24] - (Mach 287)

• The Bat Monster traveled from the Rift Gate to Sherman in a few seconds [14:40-14:48] - (Mach 3704)

Tashy 497

• Exploded, generating a blast so powerful it created an entire nebula [21:10]

• They don’t actually scale to him, but RIP little guy, we’ll never forget you for as long as we live💔.

The H.M.E.R.

The HOMELAND MOBILE EMERGENCY ROBOT. The H.M.E.R. was built by the U.S. army to serve as a substitute for Titan after it vanished for a few episodes using the pieces of the rocket that brought Tashy 497 to Earth. It failed to harm one of the kaijus that appear in the final episode, even with its strongest attack, and that kaiju was later casually stomped by Titan, making the scaling pretty blatant.

• The H.M.E.R. vaporized a Mutraddi beetle monster [11:22] - (299 kilotons of TNT)

Weaknesses

Megas XLR

While the Megas XLR robot is incredibly powerful, the pilots themselves are its biggest weakness. Coop is incredibly reckless and causes a great amount of collateral damage in every fight he’s in, often ignoring Kiva’s good advice, and Jamie’s advice often is counterproductive and gets the Megas in more trouble than its worth. Due to their lack of proper training they also are incapable of using the robot to its full potential, but it still comes with plenty of its own special tricks, and the pilots are not to be messed with regardless, especially with Kiva there as guidance.

Sym-Bionic Titan

Because of its nature as a combination robot with 3 pilots like Getter Robo, the minds of Titan’s pilots have to be perfectly synchronized in order for the mech to work. This has led to trouble a few times, with the pilots (mainly early Lance and Ilana) butting heads and causing the robot to act erratically. This has already been overcome however, as the pilots have learned the value of teamwork means it didn’t happen again at all and the pilots are consistently in sync. Another weakness the Titan has is that damaging it enough may force it to reverse the combination, and they’re far weaker in their individual robots.  

Artwork

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Before the Verdicts

Titan and E=mc²

You might have noticed Titan has a calc that gets significantly higher than every other AP/Durability calc in this blog. That’s because it utilizes the energy-mass equation and that consistently nets really high values. The reason the feat uses that sort of calculation is really straightforward, as we’ll elaborate further.

In simple terms, mass-energy conversion is a phenomenon that happens quite commonly in nature that refers to reactions that convert energy into mass, such as plants absorbing energy from sunlight and very slightly increasing their mass. This is expressed by the equation proposed by Einstein, E=mc², where E equals to total energy in joules, m equals mass in kilograms and c squared is the speed of light in meters per second. The principle of mass-energy conservation dictates that the energy must be conserved, as you need an exact number of energy in order to convert it into mass.

As you can see, creating mass requires a large amount of energy, and this equation should not be applied to any generic creation feat unless it has reliable statements that show the intent. Fortunately, its use here is quite supported by how Octus refers to it.

The feat in question happens in the 11th episode of Sym Bionic Titan, when Titan redirects energy to increase mass. In context, Titan is stuck [19:02] in what Octus refers to as a “gravity containment generator” and can’t move. In the next scene, Octus realizes the energy being used by the generator is in his database [19:57], as G3, for plot reasons, has knowledge of Galalunian technology. Octus then states “I can redirect the energy to increase our mass” [20:10], and the Titan proceeds to shut its eyes, and get much heavier. In a screen being watched by a G3 soldier [20:25], we see a bar beside a graph of the Titan rise fast as it gets heavier, and then the robot gets so heavy it bursts through the floor.

The statement is pretty clear, Octus, a very reliable source when it comes to science in the show, with deep knowledge of all fields, states he was going to redirect the energy being used to increase the Titan’s own mass, effectively absorbing it into its own body to become much heavier. There’s no reason Octus would exaggerate or be wrong about something he was doing, as he is consistently very technical on his scientific explanations and never uses incorrect terminology. Titan would need to have its mass increased by at least 2 times in order to burst to the floor, as it was holding Titan just fine moments later and the graph suggests it increased by many levels. There’s no reason to believe Titan increased the effect of gravity on itself either, as Octus would have simply stated it if it was the case.

The reason it should scale is obvious, Titan can absorb and redirect that much energy on itself and contain it without really taking any damage, and Octus made the conversion himself. Any way you cut it, Titan performed energy-mass conversion on itself, with the resulting energy ranging from 285 teratons of TNT to a bit over 1 petaton.

TL;DR: The energy-mass conversion equation is supported by context and a reliable scientific source in the show’s universe, and should be fine to scale to Titan’s own energy levels.

“Laser” feats

Like most sci-fi series, Megas XLR and Sym-Bionic Titan have pew pew energy beams. Both combatants are shown to be able to scale to said beams, but to assume that would be eligible for relativistic reactions unfortunately doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

Starting with Megas. A notable feat would be when Megas deflects red beams [15:56] from a knockoff Transformer in the 9th episode of the second season. Said red beam deflects on metal, should be good, right? Well… the red beams that a ship from the same team as the bad guy here fire are shown to break ice instead of melting it [08:33], contradicting one of the primary properties of light which is to lack mass, and therefore force. You could argue that the beams from the ship and from the robot are different but there’s no reason to assume so, they look the exact same and why would beams from a battleship and a soldier have fundamentally different properties while looking the exact same? Also, they’re not called lasers or light beams a single time in the episode.

Another feat comes from the very first episode, where Kiva dodges beams that her robot fires that deflect off Megas [21:16]. Again, we know nothing about these beams other than them deflecting on metal. They’re not stated to be lasers or light and we never see them again. Considering every single other beam in the series displays force and/or explodes, it would be a reach to assume that this one beam that we know nothing about was intended to be lightspeed. Again, unusable.

Titan only has a single notable “laser feat”, which is when kid Lance dodges a beam in a lasertag exercise [14:06]. These beams are also never referred to as either lasers or light, and are inconsistently portrayed regarding their force. The context helps, as they are playing a game that’s clearly analogous to the real life laser tag, where beams are fired at light sensors to simulate gunfire.  We are never verbally told this, but it would make very little sense for the beams to be anything else when the inspiration is so clear. HOWEVER, it is still a reach to make so many assumptions of authorial intent when it is never stated anywhere and the beams have inconsistent portrayal, rendering the feat highly questionable.

TL;DR:  Both series’ beams are portrayed too dubiously to be reliably considered lightspeed, and should not be used. 

MFTL+ feats

Both combatants have space flight calculations that put them millions of times faster than light ballpark at maximum. The problem with these feats is that there’s almost nothing that can prove them scaling to reactions at all. 

Starting with Megas, we can actually list two anti-feats that make scaling flight speed to reactions kinda complicated:

• Megas is flying to Saturn really fast,  Jaime sees the rings from a distance and Coop fails to react in time to dodge, crashing into them [0:55]

• Megas is flying really fast in space, Coop fails to maneuver as they crash into a planet at maximum speeds [0:00] 

These were the two situations that required Coop to react while flying at MFTL+ speeds and in both Megas ended up crashing.

The other issue with Megas MFTL+ feats is that most of them don’t really have clear distances or timeframes, making it extremely hard to gauge the actual flight speed. The clearest one is when Megas flies to the Ultra Cadets planet, clocking at best at 2 million times faster than light. You can kiiiinda argue that it scales to reactions because Megas doesn’t crash into the planet, but the planet would be visible from a long distance due to its size, and the action performed to react in that timeframe would be really small, making it not even MFTL+ anymore, and the argument isn’t very good.

For Titan things are pretty different. The best space flight feat in the show clocks at over 600 million times the speed of light, from traveling to a location where a new nebula would be visible from Earth and from the visible interstellar parallax. The contention in scaling to this feat would be that there’s no actual reaction being performed during the flight, but Titan is… different from your average piloted mecha. For starters, unlike Megas, the robot is directly linked to the pilots’ consciousnesses, and Octus, the “mind”, is a sentient robot himself that is a physical part of the giant mech. Basically, in this case, there’s little to no difference between Titan’s reactions and combat speed scaling to its flight and the same applying to Transformers characters such as Starscream and Astrotrain.

TL;DR: Although both have MFTL+ flight feats, scaling either’s reactions to them is highly questionable, even though Titan has a slightly better claim.

Planet Level Megas?

Throughout its show, Megas XLR has fought several blatantly planet-level or higher threats, and witnessed many scenes of planetary destruction.  Funnily enough, Megas actually has no means of scaling to them physically. Let’s go over every instance to clear them up.

Starting with the planet eater, a massive alien that… supposedly eats planets and kinda looks like Unicron. Should be pretty straightforward right? Well, Megas failed to do any damage at all with its rockets and fists [7:57], only being able to beat it by causing a chemical reaction  and attacking its digestive system with a soda missile [17:55]. There’s no way to scale Megas to it at all. Oh yeah. It's also not planet sized. It's smaller than the moon. Lol.

Then we have Grrkek, a powerful alien that is stated to have caused the destruction of several planets [0:47]. Sounds promising, right? Well… the monster is depowered once it arrives on Earth [8:15]. When he gets his power back, Megas can actually cause no damage to it whatsoever [18:40], casually getting bitchslapped around. We also get an explanation to how he destroys planets, by generating a fusion reaction with a giant Frieza Death Ball [18:59]. He then gets shrunk and depowered by a tidal wave before he can nuke the Earth [20:40]. There’s no way to scale Megas to it at all. 

Another powerful alien Megas has fought was Ender, a Voltron knockoff villain who states he has “destroyed planets and galaxies”[12:30]. Megas fails to actually do damage to him, gets casually thrown around and toyed with, and its energy is depleted [14:20]. The only way Megas could even start to harm and defeat him was by fusing with the knockoff V|o,tron, which was actually an amp that raised Megas’ energy levels to heights exponentially higher than its base [16:43]. So yeah, scaling Megas to Ender’s power is impossible, as it needed a temporary amp to defeat him.

Next is the photonic stabilizer, which explodes and destroys a planet [21:04]. Well, as you can see, Megas doesn’t get caught in it and nothing survives. Also it’s caused by a malfunction and can’t really be translated to power or durability.

Then we have the destruction of Halcyon, a Cybertron knockoff in the Transformers parody episode. There’s actually nothing at all indicating that they scale. The planet is destroyed by Megas accidentally starting a fire [20:40] which gradually grows bigger and for some reason causes the planet to explode minutes later [21:55]. Megas isn’t hit by the explosion and no one survives, making scaling to the destruction of Halcyon impossible.

We are shown in some episodes that Megas has buttons that are supposed to “destroy the world”, but they are obviously never used, and we don’t know how they’d actually destroy it (be it a beam, or a missile or whatever).

TL;DR: Megas failed to do any damage to the only directly planetary enemies it fought, and the planet destruction that happens in the series is impossible to scale to because it’s either a chain reaction or something Megas avoids completely.

The Saturn Rings feat

Screw this feat seriously. Ok so, basically, there’s this feat in the fifth episode of the second season of Megas XLR where Megas is flying really fast and accidentally crashes into the rings of Saturn [0:58], causing damage to them. Taken at face value (using the mass of the hole it made and the timeframe using the real rings of Saturn as reference, and then applying kinetic energy), this feat would get up to moon level, generally the exatons range. However, there’s a clear problem in it, that being presentation. 

Already taking it out of the way, the rings of Saturn are composed of several layers with different widths and some gaps between them, which is not portrayed at all here.

Second, the shots of the destruction are inconsistent between themselves. In the first shot, we see the hole being created with the length bigger than the width, and the rings are placed horizontally like in real life. In the second shot, the rings are VERTICAL somehow, and the hole is wider than it is long.

Third, finding the actual size of the hole relies on a lot of assumptions. The real rings of Saturn are made of ice, dust and rocks, and have a highly variable thickness, ranging from 10 meters to a bit over 1 kilometer. The general gist of the rings is that they are a very flat structure, as thickness is really small compared to the width. In the shots we see, the rocks that comprise the rings are wayyyy too big compared to the rings’ width, making it very inconsistent with how they look in real life. If we’re generous and assume that the hole’s size is comparable to that of the width of the rings, we’d have to be assuming that any rock on screen would be several kilometers wide. We’d be assuming that there would be rocks of sizes comparable to planet Earth in that scene, which is objectively not the case in the real rings of Saturn.

Fourth problem, we actually see the size of the rocks compared to Megas, and they’re not that big. At all. This makes the last shot and the one where it follows Megas flying through the rings imply that the hole shouldn’t logically be that big. We also can kinda see Megas in the first distant shot showing the hole.

Fifth. That’s not how kinetic energy works. The method that one would use to gauge the power applied to the rocks to push them away is not exactly applicable to how the feat happens. Megas is not pushing the entire mass of the asteroids at once at the speed it crossed that distance, it is pushing a bunch of them bit by bit while crashing on them, making a hole as a chain reaction. Assuming a direct kinetic energy equation being applicable here is not substantiated by how the feat is actually portrayed.

So, how can this be calculated? Well, to be blunt, it can’t. But, if we make a conservative estimate of the mass of the asteroids that should be filling the hole using the thickness as reference, and incorrectly apply the kinetic energy formula, the feat gets up to… city level. Not exactly among Megas’ best, and not really enough to be a game changer in the matchup.

TL;DR: This feat has extremely inconsistent presentation and calculating it would require several arbitrary assumptions and an incorrect application of the kinetic energy formula. It can’t be used. It’s very similar to that one feat where Cuphead pulls the moon with a rope, but it’s extremely small and the rope has a visible thickness compared to its diameter.

What's up with Titan’s size?

This part made things a little annoying to calculate. You might have noticed that calcs put Titan’s size and the size of things relative to the Titan all over the place. This is because Titan’s size is VERY inconsistent across the show. It can be barely 3 times the size of a lamp post in one episode, have a foot larger than a street in the next, and then dwarf large buildings in the other. The method we went with for the more important calcs was calculating the size of objects and characters relative to what they appear next to in the episodes the feats happen, just to keep them as accurate to the portrayed intention as possible. The most important calcs that rely on Titan’s size (Titan’s energy mass conversion and the lightning cut) were calculated using things right next to the robot as reference (a tank and a person, respectively), and are coincidentally among the shortest sizes for Titan we were able to find.

Megas was relatively more straightforward. The AppleTV synopsis lists the robot as 80 feet tall, or roughly 24 meters, so we’re gonna use that.

TL;DR: Titan has variable inconsistent heights that are taken into account in calcs. Megas has an official statement for its height.

Does Megas have Toon Force?

While it’s true that the internal logic of Megas XLR is extremely inconsistent, and favors gags and jokes over what makes physical sense, the power level of the robot itself is eerily consistent. As mentioned before, every time Megas encounters an opponent that poses a threat to the planet or higher, it clearly is incapable of causing lasting or serious damage to them, and has to defeat them through shenaniganry. The Megas robot’s actual strength is very consistent and it is shown to have weaknesses that have been exploited by enemies. While the robot’s arsenal does change to a comedic effect across episodes, it never uses most of it and it’s implied that Coop and Jamie are incapable of using the robot to its maximum potential, and it’s never something like Popeye breaking the film reel or Spongebob unraveling the universe. The arsenal they do use, while effective, doesn’t have any crazy reality-warping game changing weapons or moves, and it’s not unfeasible that it could be defeated by a more grounded foe with the right tools on hand, as its made clear by when Megas is just very directly overpowered and almost destroyed [14:30] by Ender in the Voltron parody episode, a supervillain that was simply much stronger than them to the point they couldn’t do any damage to him.

TL;DR: No, Megas is not a toon force character, at least not in the same sense as Bugs Bunny or Spongebob.

Verdict

STATS

When you get to the nub of it, Titan has all the stat advantages it needs to win. While high ends for the Saturn feat could potentially get Megas stronger, as mentioned before they would be extremely unreliable and likely wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny. Titan is at least 339x stronger, and at most 1358x stronger. Despite Titan’s superior strength, Megas still has plenty of ways to put it down, like the Teleporter Ray and Dematerialization Beam, so this wouldn’t end the debate on its own. That being said, Titan takes the lead in speed and regardless of whether you buy MFTL for either or not, one, Titan’s MFTL ends are higher and easier to argue they scale to them, and two, without them Titan’s more direct reaction scaling gets much higher regardless. While Megas’ AOE is not something Titan could as easily avoid, its advantage in durability means a good hit is unlikely to put them down for good and none of Megas’ weapons that could bypass durability have good AOE anyway. With MFTL+ ends for both, Titan is 591x faster. Using exclusively reaction feats for both, Titan would be at least 8x faster by being generous and assuming the rocket fist would be as fast as Megas’ missiles without feats to back it up, and up to 521x faster with Megas’ best direct reaction feat. The Titan pilots’ greater experience and combat ability make them more than capable of getting around anything Megas can throw at them, close the gap between them, or just blast Megas with its energy weapons and missiles landing the single hit necessary to secure victory, especially with the help of Octus’ analysis and his ability to detect weaknesses and predict and prevent getting hit by Megas’ more powerful abilities.

It is worth mentioning that Titan upscales all of its feats by a wide margin, as it is noted to have permanently amped strength in the final episode.

ARSENAL AND ABILITIES

Between the two combatants, it is undeniable that Megas has the superior arsenal. While theoretically The Titan allows the pilots to conjure any weapon they can imagine like the bubbles from Sponge Bob Square Pants, they always go for more traditional weaponry that can be made by humans. Megas’ arsenal is much more robust, allowing them to augment their speed, conjure fire, and importantly, have durability negation weapons. Although a hit on Titan with the Deconstruction Ray may not be as reliable as it appears since it won’t bypass Titan’s Force Field, something like the Transporter Ray could've pull Octus, Lance or Ilana out of Titan and it would be way easier to kill them separately, since they are significantly weaker when unformed. Despite this, the Sym-Bionic Titan’s superior speed would allow it to avoid any lethal attacks, just long enough to take the victory despite their disadvantage in this field.

One major sticking point for Megas you may be wondering about is the Plot Button, and while it is a major help to the robot in its time of need, it’s not exactly an “auto-win button” for the purposes of this debate. It usually only gives Megas a new ability or weapon that helps them turn things in their favor, it has never been shown to augment their stats or weaken the enemy by a degree that they’d need to turn the tide in their favor in this battle to the death, making it not the game changer many thought it was for this debate.

TERTIARY FACTORS

Finally, arguably the most important factor of a mecha matchup is the pilots themselves, the individuals behind the robots, the ones for which without them, the mecha would simply be a motionless hunk of metal. And in this matchup, arguably the most important point to nail in is how the pilots themselves act. While Coop, the one always in control of Megas, is clearly a natural savant at piloting and maintaining a robot like this, he lacks the crucial experience that the Titan pilots do. Lance is a natural born warrior who has spent his entire life from his childhood being trained by the best soldiers in Galaluna, Ilana herself is also no slouch when it comes to fighting, being herself trained by Lance in their off time, and they’re glued together by Octus, a robot designed with combat features built in that has his whole existence dedicated to protecting these warriors. Besides Coop, there are Jamie and Kiva… and Jamie is practically useless and often more detrimental to the robots in fights than good. On the other hand, Kiva is the one person inside the robot with the competence and training comparable to the ones in Titan, but she’s dragged down by having no personal control over the robots, and the other two pilots tending not to listen to her until it’s too late. While the tactics of the Megas XLR are extremely useful for them in combat, in terms of raw skill and experience, they’re simply severely outmatched.

Megas is way more experienced with fighting other robots, but that matters very little when they’ve never fought one quite as impressive or powerful as the Sym-Bionic Titan.

It is important to add that Megas’ best wincons like the deconstruction beam or the teleporter ray have only been used by accident or after long battles as a last resort. Coop ALWAYS goes for a more direct and traditional style in fights at first, and this would just make Titan’s job easier as they outstat Megas massively.

Summary

Megas XLR

"All right, you alien chumps! You're in MY town and nobody gets to wreck it. Uh...Except for me! Ok where's first gear again?"

• Stronger with high ends for the Saturn feat…

• Possesses ways to bypass Titan’s durability…

• Better AOE attacks…

• Far more versatile

• Coop being the only proper pilot means he requires less synchronicity with his teammates to control the robot

• More experienced fighting giant robots

• Managed to get 6 episodes more than Titan

• …but said higher ends are dubious at best, and the robot is far weaker with reasonable ends for the Saturn feat

• …but are unlikely to deal any serious damage due to the sheer gap in speed

• …but this doesn’t apply to the guns that would actually do serious damage

• Nowhere near as experienced

• Pilots can’t properly utilize the robot to its full potential

• Pilots are also more reckless and self-destructive

• Jamie is in it

• Likely won’t get a season 3

Sym-Bionic Titan

“Out of despair, came hope. Out of devastation came relief. And today, in our darkest hour, came a hero. Tonight, the people of Earth thank you, Titan.”

• Far stronger with reasonable ends for the saturn feat…

• Far faster with MFTL and non-MFTL ends

• Pilots are more skilled and experienced

• Octus’ analytical ability far outmatches that of anyone in Megas

• …but weaker with high ends for saturn feat, and has no reliable ways of bypassing durability if that is the case

• Inferior AOE

• Not quite as versatile

• Cannot claim to have killed Transformers knockoffs

• Will forever be scared by the death of Tashy 497

• Has even fewer episodes than Megas XLR

• Ended on a cliffhanger

• Likely won’t get the a season 2

Conclusion

In the end, Titan’ vastly superior stats and far superior combat skill and intelligence secure their victory. Let’s recap:

MEGAS XLR

Power/Durability: 840 Gigatons of TNT

Speed: Mach 4.4 to at best 291.5 (reactions), 1,127,150 times the speed of light (MFTL ends)

Sym-Bionic Titan

Power/Durability: Upscaling 285 Teratons to 1.143 Petatons of TNT

Speed: Upscaling Mach 2310 (reactions), 666,805,400 times the speed of light (MFTL ends)

You can argue for Megas in some cases, but it would require way too much generosity and ignoring Titan’s massive advantages. Megas is not strong enough to forcefully undo the combination, and its durability negating weapons would not be able to land on an opponent that much faster.

It might feel weird, given Megas is a gag character and Titan is a serious one, but sometimes, the serious character just has all it needs to beat the gag one, and being a gag/parody doesn’t automatically mean a character is more powerful or invincible against serious opponents.

Way more often than not, the hero protector of Sherman takes the victory. The winner is the Sym-Bionic Titan.

Final Tally

Team Megas XLR (1) - Why am I here (ain't voting against the goat)
Team Sym-Bionic Titan (6) - Kaiser, Strunton, Mau, Flip, Serge, Why am I here (actual pick)

Jamie should die regardless (3) - Kaiser, Flip, Serge

Afterwords (by Kaiser)

I’d like to preface this by thanking everyone that took part in this blog. This is easily the most dedicated I’ve ever been to making a versus blog, and it’s also my favorite I’ve ever participated in. Big thanks to Serge, Mau, Flip and Why Am I Here for helping with the research, for Rina for the two calculations she provided and a huge special thanks to Flip and Mau for the great art they made for this. All the other calculations were done by me, and it certainly was a LOT of work, but it paid off in the end. 

About the shows themselves, they are pretty great as well. I have a lot of childhood memories involving watching Megas XLR, and have always been a huge fan of Genndy Tartakovsky’s work. Upon a rewatch, I got a newfound appreciation for Sym-Bionic Titan in particular. The level of quality displayed in the animation, directing, writing and overall quality of a single episode of Titan is insane, and it’s a HUGE shame it had to be canned after only 20 episodes because of toy deals. Megas also received the shorter end of the stick, being canceled after 26. It doesn’t feel fair to have such great shows made by talented teams get canceled by such dumb reasons decided by committees, but at least the creators found new success in other projects afterwards. 

I like this matchup a lot, if you couldn’t notice. Outside of the obvious appeal of “Cartoon Network mecha shows”, the matchup has a much more special element to it when you’re already a mecha fan, like me. Both shows are chock full of mecha references, both in the aesthetic and thematic level, and are really well crafted love letters to a genre that I particularly adore and will keep working to bring to this hobby. 

When it comes to the results, I think it’s safe to say almost NO ONE was expecting Titan to win here. We certainly weren’t. In fact we went into this expecting Megas to completely stomp. Megas earned a reputation of being overpowered and unbeatable in old versus forums due to its nature as a gag show and Megas’ huge arsenal, with the “plot buttons” being considered instant wins against literally every opponent it fought. Titan didn’t have much research put into it at all before this blog, with the sources we started with being an old Narutoforums post and stray VSBW calcs. With time, we found out Megas… was actually not that strong (in fact it’s the second physically weakest mecha character we’ve used so far, only behind the VF-1 Valkyrie from Macross), and that Titan had some overlooked really good feats under its sleeve. It was a weird shock to find all of this out in real time, and actually come to the conclusion that Titan should logically win by the simple fact that its way stronger and faster. It certainly might be a strange result on a surface level, probably like if Saitama genuinely beat Popeye by statstomping him or something, but rest assured we thought a lot about this and came to the most logical conclusion with the facts we found. This is the only “upset” result we’ve got so far, and I wonder if it’ll be the last. 

I really hope people don’t take this the wrong way too. Megas received quite a lot of scrutiny in this blog simply because of its reputation as an OP robot and because its high ends were actually very weird and hard to defend, so we had to explain them very thoroughly. We all like Megas XLR, and we all agreed on the stuff that went into this blog and the result. 

It would be cool if Death Battle did this idea as an episode someday, if the show comes back (which I hope it does), even if it is a bit unlikely. We know that Luis likes Megas XLR vs Big O. I am not a big fan of that matchup at all, and I know Flip isn’t either. I plan on bringing Big O to this blog however, I have a pretty cool mu stored for him. With this blog, I hope to bring more awareness to this matchup, and maybe even mecha as a whole.

All things considered, this was pretty fun to work on, and we hope to keep the same level of quality and passion for the next blogs we post. Stay tuned!

Next Time

You may have seen Kaiser’s afterwords, but in case you did not, you might have noticed  that we had a lot of custom images for our blog sections. This is due to Flip, as this is his first time on our blog. He was extremely helpful in the art department, but also helped us with research quite a bit. The trailer you saw just now was also done by him. Go check out his channel as well, it has some other banger trailers, or check out his reddit. Also, don’t forget to check out the Golden Hearts channel, who also helped us out a lot on the other trailers for this blog. We also thank Mau a lot for all the hand drawn art he made for us. You’re the GOAT.